Saturday, February 9, 2013
What if you have to understand Daniel in order to understand Revelations?
We all know the story of Daniel and how he interpreted the King's dreams. But if you read the verses closely, in Dan 2:1, it says that he dreamed dreams. That's plural. Have you ever heard of an interpretation of multiple dreams?
In Dan 2:40, it says that IRON breaks the image and in Dan 2:34 it says that STONE breaks the image. What if these are different dreams? Or multiple dream sequences?
In the first dream, there were 4 kingdoms and history has shown us what these 4 kingdoms were. It is amazing that when you divide the length of time each kingdom ruled, you end up with a 6'2" man with a very proportionate body. This proves to me that History does prove Biblical prophecy!!! And at the end of this portion of history, iron (the Roman Empire) broke up. (double click the image to enlarge)
and in the second dream, these 4 kingdoms return as they have today....and the stone that is cut out is the kingdom of Israel and it will crush these 4 kingdoms and rule earth:
What if Israel will crush Iraq, Iran, Greece and Italy and rule then turn it's kingdom over to the Messiah when He comes to rule earth?
What if the world is a stage and the nations are lining up for the second part of the dream that Daniel interpreted? What if you can understand this - then how does that change what you understand about Revelations?
What if Israel will rule in our lifetime?
WOW!!!
Tuesday, November 8, 2011
What if you are not really "saved"?
Centuries ago, the Egyptians knew that the human heart had to be weighed. Even though they were pagan, they knew
Zuben el Genubi “the price deficient” (the heart)
Zuben el Shemali “the price which covers” (the cross)
Zuben Akrabi “the price of the conflict”
Jer 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things and it is exceedingly corrupt: who can know it?”
Matt 15:18 “But the-(things) proceeding-out out-of the mouth (are)-coming-out out-of the heart, and-these-(things) (are-defiling the MAN,
Vs 19 For out-of the heart is-coming-out evil deliberations, murders, adulteries, prostitutions, thieveries, false-witnessings, blasphemies.
PS 14:1 “The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God.”
Eccl 10:2 “A wise man’s heart is at his right hand; but a fool’s heart at his left.”
Let’s put your heart to a test and see what you believe and if you are saved.
SCRIPTURE:
Rom 3:1 “What therefore the advantage of-the Jew or what the profit of-the circumcision? Vs.2 Much according-to every manner. For first on-the-on-hand because they-were-trusted (with) the oracles of-the God.”
Not one word of scripture has been given by God to any but Jews. Do you believe that? In one stroke, that shows Mormonism and Islamism to be wrong.
And if you do not believe scripture you have no promise of eternal life.
EVOLUTION:
Gen 1:27 “And God created man in his own image…male and female created he them.
Jesus speaking in Mark 10:6 “But from beginning of–creation the God made them male and female.”
A person who knowingly accepts and believes the lie of evolution does NOT believe scripture and is NOT “saved”.
THE FLOOD:
Gen 7:19 “….and all the high mountains that were under the whole heaven were covered. And all flesh died that moved upon the earth….and every man:”
If you do not believe in a universal flood, you do NOT believe in scripture and you are NOT “saved”.
JESUS IS JEHOVAH (GOD)
Matt 12:8 “For the son of-the MAN is Jehovah also of-the Sabbath.
Mark 1:3 “Voice of-one-shouting in the wilderness, YOU-prepare the way of-Jehovah, YOU-be-making direct his paths.
Luke 2:11 “That (a) Savior was-brought-forth for-YOU today, in (the) city of-David, who is Messiah Jehovah.
I Cor 12:3 “On-this-account I-am-making-known to-YOU that not-one speaking in (the) Spirit of-God is-saying: Anathema Jesus, and not-one is-being-able to-say: Jehovah Jesus unless in (the) Holy Spirit.”
Phil 2:11 “And every tongue might-acknowledge that Jesus Messiah (is) Jehovah with-reference-to glory of-God (the) Father.”
Jesus is Jehovah the son, the creator. If your heart recognizes, even a little, who Jesus is you would not likely refer to him “as the man upstairs”, and you would not use blasphemous statements such as “Give Jesus a hand” or “clap for Jesus”. How many times have you done that in your church? Jesus IS Jehovah God and should be revered.
If you do not believe that Jesus IS God, then you are not “saved”.
VIRGIN BIRTH:
Matt 1:23 “Behold, the virgin will-have in womb, and she-will-bring-forth (a) son, and they-will-call his name Emmanuel, which is being-translated, the God with us.”
If you do not believe that Jesus was born of a virgin, then you are not “saved”.
SPECIFIC SINNERS:
I Cor 6:9,10 “Or, are YOU not knowing-absolutely that unjust (ones) will not inherit (the) Kingdom of-God? You-be not being-led astray; neither male-prostitutes nor idolaters nor adulterers nor catamites nor homosexual-males. Vs.10 Nor thieves nor covetous (ones) not drunkards, not revilers, not seizers will-inherit (the) Kingdom of-God.”
Verse 11 clearly states if you were among these listed you can be saved. But if you are still doing these things, then you are not saved. You cannot have a homosexual preacher! Well, you can have one, just know that he is NOT saved!
And if you believe that a homosexual, a prostitute, someone who worships idols, someone who is an adulterer, a thief, covetous, an alcoholic, a reviler…….if you believe that they are saved, then you do NOT believe scripture and you are NOT saved!
GOD LOVES EVERYONE:
PS 5:5-6, PS 11:5-6, 1John 2:15-16, John 3:36, Heb 12:5
All of these verses point to the WRATH of God. It is ever so clear that God does NOT love everyone. It is extremely clear that the ones disobeying the Son of God will have the wrath of God on them. And be sure to read these verses in the consistent translation, not in some mixed up translation that will lead you to believe it’s something other than what’s really written in scripture. Paul warned of this in Acts 20:29-30.
If you believe that God (Jesus) loves everyone, then you do not believe scripture and you are not saved.
We can divide Biblical truth into groups in order to determine where a person stands and to determine if he is a member of the body of Christ:
Group 1 – very clear
A. Believes in evolution or
B. Does not believe in a universal flood or
C. Does not believe in the virgin birth of Jesus or
D. Does not believe in the resurrection of Jesus
He is a “false-brother”, he is not saved, he is not a member of the “body” and you should have no fellowship with him/her.
Group II – more difficult to determine (disbelief might be due to ignorance)
A. All scripture entrusted to the Jews
B. Jesus is Jehovah the son, the creator together with the Father
C. Persons practicing sin; idolaters, adulterers, homosexual-males, etc. are not “saved” (but can be). They will not inherit the kingdom of God
D. God does NOT love everyone.
If you believe these premises, you are saved. If you did not know this is what scripture teaches, you do now and if you continue to have your disbelief, then you do not believe scripture and are not “saved”.
Group III – very clear
A. Millennium – Matt 5:5, Matt 6:9, Matt 12:32, Matt 17:10-11, Matt 19:27-28, Matt 24:30-31, Acts 1:6-7, Acts 2:29-31, Acts 3:20-21
If you believe scripture, then you believe there will be a millenniun
B. Amillennalist: does not believe in a millennium, does not believe in scripture. Is not saved.
Weigh your own heart. Weigh it against scripture. If you truly believe in Jesus and accept him as the Messiah, how can you not believe what all of scripture states? And yes, you may have a pastor who is leading you down some path of disbelief or alternative belief, but you can choose the fork in the road and decide to create your own path by studying what was actually written and how translations have changed the original text. But most of scripture is extremely clear – it’s just that we listen to someone else’s ideas about it rather than studying to find out what the truth is.
Matt 15:18-19 – whatever comes out of your mouth is coming out of your heart.
I think it’s really clear how to tell if you are saved or not….and it’s equally clear how to tell if your friends and family are saved.
My Sunday School teacher was wrong. You can’t just “say” that you are “saved” and it will happen.
You MUST study scripture to know what it takes to be saved. You must believe that scripture is the Word of God. Your heart must know it so that the words will come out of your mouth! That’s what it takes to be “saved”.
Tuesday, November 1, 2011
What if Christmas isn't what you think it is?
Have you ever questioned the origin of Christmas or do you just assume that since the birth of Jesus, everyone has celebrated Christmas on December 25th? Sometimes, it’s good to stop and ask a question…..”where did this come from?”
Jesus was born a Hebrew. And if you know anything about Judaism, you know that they do not celebrate Christmas. So of course, He did not celebrate it. And keep in mind that the “New Testament” had not yet been written. Jesus would have read from a Torah, from a hand-written “Old Testament” which at that time was known as “the law”.
The Romans ruled the Middle East at the time Jesus was here, and they celebrated the holiday of Saturnalia from December 17-25. It was a week long period of lawlessness. human sacrifice, widespread intoxication, going from house to house singing naked, rape, eating human-shaped biscuits, gift-giving and more. This festival, introduced over 200 years before the birth of Jesus, was held in honour of Saturn, the youngest of the Titans, father of the major gods of the Greeks and Romans and son of Uranus and Gaia. It was also a time to worship the sun god.
Obviously a pagan holiday.
It wasn’t until the year 440 AD that the December 25th became the official date of Christmas. The first recorded date of Christmas being celebrated on December 25th was in 336 AD when Constantine was the Roman Emperor. The first Council of Nicaea was held in AD 325 (Constantine was Emperor). This was the first effort to make a universal doctrine of Christian beliefs. Remember, this was a Roman Empire still at this time. This Council removed Easter from Passover and set it to a Sunday.
The History of Western Europe by James Harvey Robinson states:
The new religion, as it spread from Palestine among the Gentiles, was much modified by the religious ides of those who accepted it. A group of Christian philosophers, who are known as the early fathers, strove to show that the Gospel was in accord with the aspirations of the best of the pagans. In certain ceremonies the former modes of worship were accepted by the new religion. From simple beginnings the church developed a distinct priesthood and an elaborate service. In this way Christianity and the higher forms of paganism tended to come nearer and nearer to each other as time went on.
In other words, the early church merged pagan rituals and traditions into the Gospel – most likely in order to get more people to join the church. After all, if they didn’t have to change what they celebrated, the church could then (later) force them to join.
In AD 324, Constantine issued an edict exhorting all his subjects to follow his example by becoming Christians. But….the office of Pontifex Maximus which he held required him to offer sacrifices to the heathen gods of Rome. Can you see how he was instrumental in bringing pagan practices into the church?
So who celebrated Christmas from the time of Jesus until 440 AD? And when did they celebrate it if they did?
And what about all the “traditions” that go with Christmas. Where/when did they originate?
The Christmas Tree: Pagans had long worshipped trees in the forest, or brought them into their homes and decorated them. Putting evergreen boughs over doors and windows would keep out witches, ghosts, evil spirits and illness. Germany is credited with the Christmas tree as we know it – starting in the 16th century. They were not present in America until the 1830s. Until the late 1840s, they were seen as pagan symbols and not accepted by most Americans!
Amazing how far the tree has come in just 170 years!
Mistletoe: Kissing under the mistletoe was first found associated with the festival of Saturnalia. Another pagan tradition.
Christmas Presents: From Saturnalia (see above)
Santa Claus: A Roman Catholic Bishop named St Nicholas who attended the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. Saint Nicholas was “revived by Washington Irving in 1809 in his book “Knickerbocker History of New York”. So no “Santa Claus” before the 1800s.
Or is he the god Odin, from pre Christian times in Germanic people?
Needless to say, Santa is a fairly “new” addition and has nothing to do with Jesus.
Did you ever notice how Santa has been given the attributes of Jehovah?
1. He is omnipresent – can visit millions of homes in a single night
2. He is all seeing, all knowing. He can deliver each present correctly to each child.
3. He is all-good, all-just. He judges behavior.
4. He is eternal
one god replacing Jehovah God? But I say simply add an “n” to the end of the word “Santa” and you are probably on the right track!
Gift Giving: was banned by the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages due to its suspected pagan origins. Its origins were in the Feast of Saturnalia (see above).
You can search every other Christmas tradition and quickly find that it’s origin was based in pagan practices. And we now can prove that Jesus was not born on or around December 25th.
The birth of the Messiah is not known for certain, but we can know the approximate time of year when he was born! In the book of Luke we read that the father of John the Baptist was Zacharias, and he was a priest who served at the temple in Jerusalem. He was "of the course of Abia" (Luke 1:5). While serving at the temple, he was informed by an angel that his wife was to have a son, who was to be named "John." After this, Zacharias finished "the days of his ministration," and "departed to his own house" (v.23). "And after those days, his wife Elizabeth conceived..." (v. 24).
The names of the different courses of priests that served at the Temple are given in I Chronicles 24:1-19. "Abia" or "Abijah" was the EIGHTH course. According to the Jewish historian Josephus, each one of these courses served at the Temple for one week, the first course serving the first week of Nisan, in the spring (compare I Chron. 27:1-2), and then each course in its own order. All the priests served during the annual festivals (Passover in spring, Pentecost, and then Tabernacles in the fall). After six months, the order would be repeated, thus each "course" would serve two weeks during a year.
The course of Abijah, then, would have served the eighth week in the rotation. The eighth week from Nisan 1, leaving out the week of Passover, when all the priests served, would have been Iyar 27 TO Sivan 5, the day just before Pentecost, which generally fell on Sivan 6. After serving a week in the Temple, Zacharias would have remained another week in Jerusalem, because of the Feast of Shavuot or Pentecost that week. Therefore, he returned home shortly after this, and his wife then conceived. This would have been about the middle of June. If we add nine months to this date, the normal time for the gestation of a human baby in the womb, John the Baptist would have been born about the middle of March, in the spring, shortly before the Passover.
Yeshua was conceived about six months after John (Luke 1:24-31, esp. verse 26). This would suggest that Yeshua the Messiah was conceived about the middle of December. This would place his birth nine months, or 270 days, later -- or the month of September!
This would mean that Jesus was conceived at Hanukkah, the Festival of Lights (He is the Light of the World”) and born at Sukkot, the Feast of Ingathering (He is the Bread of Life).
I contend that if we follow a Hebrew calendar backwards and put in the rotation of service, we can know the date of Jesus birth!
And I have shown that the magi were rabbis, not “kings” or “wise men”.
What if Christmas isn’t what you think it is? What if it is a pagan holiday, filled with pagan customs, giving worship to pagan gods and is not even remotely associated with the birth of Jesus?
I Cor 10:21 ASV “You cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of demons; ye cannot partake of the table of the Lord, and of the table of demons.”
In other words, IF you believe in Jesus, you cannot celebrate Christmas.
If you celebrate Christmas, then you worship pagan gods and do not follow Jesus.
You cannot take something that is pagan in origin and turn it into something that is worthy of God.
It’s about as simple as that!
Monday, October 3, 2011
If Satan said "I will be like the most high", then is he?
| God’s stage/players | Satan’s stage/players |
| Jehovah Jesus Messiah | Lord Jesus Christ |
| The Most High | make myself like the most high |
| Jews, Messianic | mostly Gentiles |
| Hebrew/Greek | King James and other translations |
| Passover – biblical | Easter - pagan |
| Sukkot – biblical | Christmas - pagan |
| Magen (shield of) David | Cross |
| Synagogue/Temple | Church |
| Meet, greet and escort to Israel | Pre-trib Rapture |
| The one true God | god |
| Lunar Hebrew calendar | Solar secular calendar |
| Days of the week are numbered | Days of the week are named |
| Months revolve around the moon | Months revolve around the sun |
| New day starts at sunset | New day starts at sunrise |
| Sabbath is day seven | Sunday is day one |
| Passover – once a year | Communion – monthly or weekly |
| Messiah born at Sukkot | Christ born at Christmas |
| Gifts to Israel | Tithe to church |
| Israel is the Bride | The church is the bride |
| Rosh Hashanah | New Year’s Day |
| Rabbi | Magi/Wise Men |
| Cherish | Love |
| Teacher/shepherd | Preacher/Pastor |
| Tribulation started in 70AD | tribulation in the future |
| Holocaust = Jacob’s trouble | Jacob’s trouble is future |
| Mazzaroth | Zodiac |
| Jerusalem | Tel Aviv |
| Jews are the chosen people | Anti-Semitic |
| Israel is the kingdom | Heaven |
| Preparing a tabernacle | Mansions and streets of gold |
| Grave | Hell |
| 7th world power Roman Catholism | 1st church was Roman Catholics |
| 8th world power – Islam | Islam removed Israel from maps |
Friday, September 16, 2011
Who is Jesus?
Ralph Mount did a cassette lesson titled, “The Truth About Jesus If You Really Want to Know”. I highly recommend it – if you want to know.
But I think most people don’t want to know. I think most people are happy to sit and listen to someone else tell them who they think Jesus is….and don’t try to find out who He REALLY is.
This is not really an if-ism. I have no questions on this one – this is simply my personal “fact sheet”. So I’ll call it a fact-ism.
I guess there are those who think He was a human being. I have never thought that. I have always known Him to be the Son of G-d, the Son of Jehovah, G-d in the flesh – however you want to say it. I have never doubted for one second in my entire life that Jesus was the son of G-d.
And that amazes me. I love to question everything. I love to argue. I love to research, study, learn, grow. But since as early as I can remember, no matter who has wanted to have a discussion with me, I have remained steadfast in my personal knowledge that Jesus is the Messiah, that He is the Son of G-d, that He is the Savior.
But in recent study, I think I have come to know more of who He is.
No one has ever seen the face of Jehovah the Father. Jesus is Jehovah in the flesh.
I think it’s important to mention a couple of things here. In most Bible translations, there’s a dividing point called the Old Testament and the New Testament. But they really are not in the right place. The New Testament, or new covenant, actually began only after the resurrection of Jesus. His life, His teachings, everything prior to His death…is literally still part of the “old” covenant. There was nothing “new” until after He was raised from the dead.
So, that should help you understand that during His life here on earth, He was bound by the “law” (the Old Testament, the old covenant). He would have taught the Torah. He would have studied the Torah. There were no gospels for Him to speak from. He would have kept all of the Jewish customs, feasts….and I believe if you study, you will see that He did. The last supper was in fact a Passover. He simply expounded upon them, explained them, expanded them.
What else do I believe?
That He entered into the belly of Mary moments before birth. That she prepared a human body, a “tabernacle” for Him to dwell in. That she is NOT the mother of God, she was the person assigned to prepare a human dwelling for the Son of G-d. There is no reason to worship her. In fact, I believe that would be a sin.
I believe that there was nothing human about Him other than the body that He was in. He was Jehovah on earth. He was sent to the Jews as the Messiah. I believe that He was in the beginning.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness;….
Plural.
I also think that the “new” testament should build upon the “old” testament. Not take anything away from it, but rather add to it. But I also think if you are Jewish, and if you keep the law, you will have eternal life because you keep the law. Therefore, I would not try to convert someone who is Jewish. I think it is far worse for a Jewish person to take up pagan holidays such as Christmas and Easter than to keep Passover and Sukkot.
I believe that the gospel of the good news of salvation has already been told.
Col 1:21-23 “having-been preached in all creation the (one) under the heaven.
I believe that the gospel of the good news of the kingdom was future and that this was fulfilled in 1948 when the kingdom was restored to the Israeli and when they joined the UN in 1949, then the entire world knew this as well.
ACTS1v6 On-the-one-hand therefore the (ones) having-come-together were-questioning him saying, Lord, if in this time are-you-restoring the kingdom to-the Israeli?
ACTS1v7 He-said to them: It-is not of-YOU to-come-to-know times or seasons which the Father placed-for-himself in (his) own authority,
ACTS1v8 BUT YOU-will-take power, (after) the Holy Spirit (is) having-come-on upon YOU, and YOU-will-be my witnesses both in Jerusalem and in all the Judea and Samaria even till last of-the earth.
ACTS1v9 And having-said these-things (as) they (were) looking he-was-elevated, and (a) cloud assumed him from their eyes.
ACTS1v10 And as they-were staring into the heaven, (as) he (was) proceeding, and behold two men were-having-stood-alongside with-them in white esthesis,
ACTS1v11 Who also said: Men, Galileans, why have-YOU-stood-and-are-still-standing looking into the heaven? This the Jesus namely-the (one) having-been-taken-up from YOU into the heaven thus he-will-come (in) which manner YOU-beheld him proceeding into the heaven.
I believe that Jesus came to earth as a Jew. I believe that all of scripture was given to the Jews, written by Jews, and that Jesus was here as a Jewish man. The “church” did not exist. The Gospels have nothing to do with the “church”. They were all written by Jews, to Jews. That means Luke was a Jew. Paul was a Jew. Nothing else.
I believe that Gentiles can be grafted into the tree as a branch, but that the branch can be broken off.
Most important, I want my children to know that I pray for them every single day...that Jehovah will soften their hearts, that they might come to know who Jehovah Jesus Messiah is and that one day, they might understand what their mom believed.
Friday, August 5, 2011
What if the “ten commandments” are wrong???
EX 20: 1-17
Here's how I see it:
1 You shall have no other gods before me
2. You shall not make any graven image, or likeness of anything, that is in heaven above, or in the earth, or that is in water.
3. You shall not bow down to the idols
4. You shall not serve those idols
5. You shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
6. Remember the sabbath day, keep it holy
7. Work 6 days
8. Do not work on the 7th day.
9. Honor thy father and mother
10. You shall not kill
11. You shall not commit adultery
12. You shall not steal
13. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
14. You shall not lust after your neighbor's wife
15. You shall not covet your neighbor's house, wife, manservant, maidservant, ox, ass, or anything that is his
They are listed a second time, in Deuteronomy. This time, they are translated as "ten commandments, the the Hebrew literally means "ten matters".
1. You shall have no other gods before me
2. You shall not make any graven image, likeness that is in heaven, earth or in the waters
3. You shall not bow down to them
4. You shall not serve them
5. You shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
6. You shall keep the sabbath day, sanctify it
7. You shall work 6 days
8. You shall not work on the 7th day
9. Remember Egypt
10. Honor thy father and mother
11 You shall not kill
12. You shall not commit adultery
13. You shall not steal
14. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
15. You shall not desire your neighbor's wife
16. You shall not covet your neighbor's house, field, manservant, maidservant, ox, ass, or anything that is his.
So, there really are 16 commandments, that break down their content into 10 matters.
The first matter, dealing with the first 4 commandments, deals with God.
There are also 4 commandments given concerning the matter of the Sabbath.
But when you think about it......there were actually 16 commandments written on the stones...concerning 10 different matters.
These instructions constitute a covenant between God and His people. (EX 34:28 and Deut 4:13) The benefits of following these commandments are explained in Deut 28: 1-14.
If you promise to follow these, and then don't, the punishment is listed in Deut 5:9....to the 4th generation. Pretty severe stuff!
Most people think that the New Testament did away with the Old Testament. Actually, it should be called the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. The "new" simply builds upon the "old".....adds to it and explains it even better.
Matthew 22: 37-40 shows us there is a hierarchy, and a dependency to the commandments. When Jesus was asked what the most important commandment was, He replied:
Love Yahuwah your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."
That last sentence shows us that all the other commandments of the Old Testament are elaborations and detailed explanation of the 2 commandments mentioned here. Thus the above 16 commandments could be split into two topics: 1) to love God, and 2) to love your neighbor.
I think each of the ten matters deserves it's own discussion. We can "argue" our way out of any of these, but if taken literally, how far do we go? Is a child's doll a "graven image" since it is made in the likeness of man? If you work on Saturday are you violating a commandment? If you kiss a cross before you pray, are you worshiping a graven image? If there is the image of Mary or Jesus or anyone/thing else in your church.....are you violating a commandment? Do you bow down to Mary? Not to mention "saints"?
If your church does not have all 16 commandments in these 10 matters listed....why not? It was the Roman Catholics who gave us the condensed version of 10 commandments. Pay attention to what was left out. And how they worship. Pretty convenient to make scripture say what you want it to say. One has to wonder if this isn't Satan's power here on earth - to twist and distort scripture until pagan rituals are made to seem right.
Saturday, July 30, 2011
What if Aquarius is closer than we think?
JOHN7v37 But in the last day namely-the great (one) of-the feast the Jesus had-stood, and he-cried saying, If someone might-be-thirsting, let-him-be-coming to me and let-him-be-drinking.
JOHN7v38 The (one) trusting with-reference-to me, according-as the scripture said, rivers of-living water will-flow out-of his belly.
JOHN7v39 But this he-said concerning the Spirit which the (ones) trusting with-reference-to him were-being-about to-be-taking; for (the) Holy Spirit not-yet, because the Jesus was not-as-yet glorified.
| Age | Constellation | Degree | Tribe | Approximate dates | Month | stone |
| Aries | Ram or Lamb | 0 – 30 | Benjamin | 2000 BC (Moses) to Jesus Death | Adar | jasper |
| Taurus | Bull | 30-60 | Reuben | 4000 BC to 2000 BC | Nisan | ruby |
| Gemini | Twins | 60-90 | Simeon | Creation to Flood? | Lyar | topaz |
| Cancer | Crab | 90-120 | Levi | Day 7 | Sylvan | smaragd |
| Leo | Lion | 120-150 | Judah | Day 6 | Tammuz | carbuncle |
| Virgo | Virgin | 150-180 | Zebulon | Day 5 | Av | emerald |
| Libra | Scales | 180-210 | Issachar | Day 4 | Elul | sapphire |
| Scropio | Scorpion | 210-240 | Dan | Day 3 | Tishrei | jacinth |
| Sagittarius | Archer | 240-270 | Gad | Day 2 | Cheshan | agate |
| Capricorn | Fish-goat | 270-300 | Asher | Day 1 | Kislev | beryl |
| Aquarius | Water bearer | 300-330 | Nephali | Next age – Messiah returns | Tevet | amethyst |
| Pisces | The Fishes | 330-360 | Joseph | Jesus death - present | Shevat | onyx |

